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		<title>By: Allen Razdow</title>
		<link>http://www.htmlist.com/rants/trusting-in-the-cloud-the-fallout-when-web-20-apps-disappear/comment-page-1/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Razdow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 03:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;PERMA-APPS&quot; Needed -- Megahosters like Yahoo or Google could provide cloud hosting with built-in SLA&#039;s based on the deals they strike with ISV&#039;s.  Similar to when ISV&#039;s used to cut deals with big publishers back in the day.  OK, what i really think is that web 2 is a transient.  Cloud computing and data hosting? Sure, but with permanent, app and data agnostic infrastructure players you can pick and choose like you do your PC.  Business logic &amp; data?  Nothing beats owning your snapshot of it, or ever will, for all the reasons you give.  Don&#039;t hold your breath for everyone to &quot;do the right thing&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;PERMA-APPS&#8221; Needed &#8212; Megahosters like Yahoo or Google could provide cloud hosting with built-in SLA&#8217;s based on the deals they strike with ISV&#8217;s.  Similar to when ISV&#8217;s used to cut deals with big publishers back in the day.  OK, what i really think is that web 2 is a transient.  Cloud computing and data hosting? Sure, but with permanent, app and data agnostic infrastructure players you can pick and choose like you do your PC.  Business logic &amp; data?  Nothing beats owning your snapshot of it, or ever will, for all the reasons you give.  Don&#8217;t hold your breath for everyone to &#8220;do the right thing&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Cohen</title>
		<link>http://www.htmlist.com/rants/trusting-in-the-cloud-the-fallout-when-web-20-apps-disappear/comment-page-1/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The existence of a transition plan should be factored into goodwill calculations when negotiating and bidding for such services, I think...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The existence of a transition plan should be factored into goodwill calculations when negotiating and bidding for such services, I think&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac Garcia</title>
		<link>http://www.htmlist.com/rants/trusting-in-the-cloud-the-fallout-when-web-20-apps-disappear/comment-page-1/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaac Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there was a viable business model from the beginning, this would have never happened. 

Business isn&#039;t about being a charity. 

Shame on Rael for abandoning his users. This also reflects poorly on Twitter - and perhaps a taste of how they really feel about their users as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was a viable business model from the beginning, this would have never happened. </p>
<p>Business isn&#8217;t about being a charity. </p>
<p>Shame on Rael for abandoning his users. This also reflects poorly on Twitter &#8211; and perhaps a taste of how they really feel about their users as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.htmlist.com/rants/trusting-in-the-cloud-the-fallout-when-web-20-apps-disappear/comment-page-1/#comment-200</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pownce reported yesterday they are shutting down on December 15, 2008 so you better export your content by then or you won&#039;t have it any longer. It would be nice if some of these apps weren&#039;t so reliant on web servers and used more local machine resources or Google Base so at least if the web based service dies off then the users have an alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pownce reported yesterday they are shutting down on December 15, 2008 so you better export your content by then or you won&#8217;t have it any longer. It would be nice if some of these apps weren&#8217;t so reliant on web servers and used more local machine resources or Google Base so at least if the web based service dies off then the users have an alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Gets the Sack &#124; CloudAve</title>
		<link>http://www.htmlist.com/rants/trusting-in-the-cloud-the-fallout-when-web-20-apps-disappear/comment-page-1/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Gets the Sack &#124; CloudAve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Free Services are Not FreeDon&#039;t know what you&#039;ve got till it&#039;s goneWhen the Sandy hits the fanTrusting In The Cloud: The Fallout When Web 2.0 Apps Disappear      Posted Under : Strategy   Tags twitter iwantsandy    Share this article:       Permalink [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Free Services are Not FreeDon&#8217;t know what you&#8217;ve got till it&#8217;s goneWhen the Sandy hits the fanTrusting In The Cloud: The Fallout When Web 2.0 Apps Disappear      Posted Under : Strategy   Tags twitter iwantsandy    Share this article:       Permalink [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Business On Software &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sandy gets the sack!</title>
		<link>http://www.htmlist.com/rants/trusting-in-the-cloud-the-fallout-when-web-20-apps-disappear/comment-page-1/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>Business On Software &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sandy gets the sack!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 29/11: More postings on the closure of IWS can be found here, here and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 29/11: More postings on the closure of IWS can be found here, here and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Eagan</title>
		<link>http://www.htmlist.com/rants/trusting-in-the-cloud-the-fallout-when-web-20-apps-disappear/comment-page-1/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Eagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with web apps like this one are that they are founded to be useful but not to make money.  While that is a noble calling it is not exactly sustainable, as evidenced by the uber-useful simpleweather.com shutting down a while back due to lack of cash.  This is a tool that easily beat other websites that displayed weather info.  Quick, easy and simple (as the name implied).  But at the end of the day they had no plan for making money to pay for the services other than a last ditch effort to ask for donations.  (FYI: AdWords is not a realistic revenue model for 99.999% of you).

The other problem with apps like these are when they are powered by a single individual.  Even if you dress yourself up to be a &quot;company&quot;, the fact remains that when there is only one person behind an app the chances of it dying are significantly higher.  I do agree, however, that Twitter really dropped the ball in this case by not continuing to support the existing users.  The door is wide open for competition to swing in a grab yourself a pre-existing client base.  Any company can whip up a similar app and provide an easy migration method and away you go.  It will be interesting to see how and when Twitter implements any of this IP into their own offering.  Might already be too late to convert those current users over though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with web apps like this one are that they are founded to be useful but not to make money.  While that is a noble calling it is not exactly sustainable, as evidenced by the uber-useful simpleweather.com shutting down a while back due to lack of cash.  This is a tool that easily beat other websites that displayed weather info.  Quick, easy and simple (as the name implied).  But at the end of the day they had no plan for making money to pay for the services other than a last ditch effort to ask for donations.  (FYI: AdWords is not a realistic revenue model for 99.999% of you).</p>
<p>The other problem with apps like these are when they are powered by a single individual.  Even if you dress yourself up to be a &#8220;company&#8221;, the fact remains that when there is only one person behind an app the chances of it dying are significantly higher.  I do agree, however, that Twitter really dropped the ball in this case by not continuing to support the existing users.  The door is wide open for competition to swing in a grab yourself a pre-existing client base.  Any company can whip up a similar app and provide an easy migration method and away you go.  It will be interesting to see how and when Twitter implements any of this IP into their own offering.  Might already be too late to convert those current users over though.</p>
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		<title>By: When the Sandy hits the fan &#124; csixty4</title>
		<link>http://www.htmlist.com/rants/trusting-in-the-cloud-the-fallout-when-web-20-apps-disappear/comment-page-1/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>When the Sandy hits the fan &#124; csixty4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at HTMList summarized users&#8217; reactions, and I recommend his blog post for anyone thinking of setting up their own &#8220;cloud&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at HTMList summarized users&#8217; reactions, and I recommend his blog post for anyone thinking of setting up their own &#8220;cloud&#8221; [...]</p>
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